A Few Things MyDD Must Do

MyDD has a unique place in the liberal bloggosphere. It unlike DailyKos, Democratic Underground, Talking Points Memo...etc has a large population of Clinton supporters but unlike Hillaryis44 and TaylorMarsh, MyDD is in full support of the Democratic Party no matter the nominee and has in the past made it clear any lack of support of the Democrat Nominee will not be tolerated.

MyDD thus needs to take decisive action other than "he looks to be the nominee". They have to make it very clear to the Clinton supporters here that this as of today is a OBAMA supporting blog. 100%. To do this

The hillary map and delegate counter needs to be removed

The front page needs a post that makes it very very clear that any refusal to support Obama or any trashing of Obama will be not tolerated at all now that his the official nominee.

Jerome has to make it very clear he is 100% behind Obama.

Update [2008-6-4 9:52:30 by Cheebs]: I am not saying he is free from any criticizing. But the outright trashing of him needs to end. There is a difference between criticism and out right trashing of a candidate.



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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

Exactly. The grace period has expired.


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:37:05 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (1.75 / 4)

In my opinion, half of this post is reasonable (acknowledge Obama as the presumptive nominee) the other half (quash any dis-consent) is nonsense.


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:37:57 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (1.00 / 1)

Anywhere else, I would be called a parody troll for making that comment.  Here, it is exactly what the Queen of the site is still saying and getting rec'd up for....


by rf7777 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:38:03 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

"Queen of the site"
Who's the queen?
Which site?
McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:39:24 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 4)

jesus.

lock step in line.  This is the type of tone that is offensive and abusive.

I am a HRC supporter who will vote for Obama.  But this type of offensive "pony-up" BS (how many diaries are needed for this?) is just insulting the vast majority of HRC supporters who will vote for him.


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:38:32 AM EST

I disagree. (none / 0)

The Clinton supporters are right, he doesn't have it locked up until the convention.  The Super Delegates can still hand her the victory at the convention, if anything new and highly damaging comes out about Obama.  Or any other cosmic shift makes him seem unelectable.

That said I think some limits need to be placed on what arguments can be used in support of Clinton.  The kind that just encourage people to cross over and vote Republican, or discourage voting in the General Election for Democrats should not be allowed.  But if it is not proRepublican or purely destructive it should certainly be welcome here.  The intellectually dishonest attack diaries, or the push poll like questioning diaries should not be allowed.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:40:09 AM EST

Re: I disagree. (none / 0)

Tumult,

It is good to find common ground.

Liame


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:37:29 AM EST
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Re: A Few (2.00 / 5)

Here is my objection to this.  It sounds like a BO supporter imposed loyality test.  BO is open to criticism.  Just as HRC is.  IMHO this sounds like a list of what people can and can not say and the start of the posting police .  I just think that is not helpful or honest.  Just saying.

david


by giusd on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:45:08 AM EST

Respectfully (2.00 / 1)

David, there is a broad line between saying Democratic sites should support the nominee and imposing a loyalty test. You know the difference. Criticisms of Obama and/or his policy proposals are fine, but blatant attack diaries and posts suggesting Hillary supporters should vote McCain are not acceptable.

TalkLeft has a much more serious problem than MyDD, in my opinion. That blog has become the most insular of all, I think those of us with accounts over there ought to reach out to those people more often. Right now every comments section on that blog is full of people who say they're voting for McCain or even Cynthia McKinney.


by Hatch on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:05:04 AM EST
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Re: Loyalty test is wrong (none / 0)

You are exactly right.


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:38:17 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

For those who think it's a lockstep mindwash, I would simply say that we're asking MyDD to back up what it says are guidelines in the "About MyDD" section of the site.

"Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned."

Since Obama is the head of the party now, excessively bashing him IS bashing the party. Also, Republican trolls have been openly operating here for quite some time.

That "grace period" is over. Time to enforce the rules.


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:47:25 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 2)

And again, Obama should not be immune to criticism - here or anywhere else.

But people who post almost only to criticize him, and mock him in their signatures have no place here.


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:48:21 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

I am not saying you can't criticize him. I was speaking of trashing him. Which is far different than finding faults in him and talking about how to fix them. Outright trashing is the stuff of Michael Begala...etc


by Cheebs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:33 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 2)

you know what?  Those are known trolls.  We mock them.

there isn't much you can do about trolls except recognize them as they come.


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:03:36 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

You can ban trolls.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:04:33 AM EST
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Re: Trolls (none / 0)

One can also over use the designation to avoid discussion.


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:41:36 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

Cheebs,

That, to me, is just what you said.

A correction or clarification is more than welcome.

Liame


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:14 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

Amen.  

I don't think it needs to be done right away however.  Hillary is still giving the dead enders hope.  At this point they are just following her lead.  Once Hillary concedes then MyDD should have a house cleaning.  Until then we will be able to see which Clinton supporters are reasonable and which ones are the true dead enders.  Hopefully the site will clean itself and most if not all of the Clinton supporters will get on board.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:03:49 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)


That's right, take Hillary's suporters for granted.

I would like to give an apropriate response to this but it is against my principles to use injurious language.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:09:57 AM EST
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Re: Yeah Yeah Yeah (2.00 / 1)

You never give a substantive response to anything.  You are a drive by troll.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:21 AM EST
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Re: Yeah Yeah Yeah (none / 0)

whatever you say master


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:13:03 AM EST
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Re: Yeah Yeah Yeah (2.00 / 1)

I say leave this place and come back when you learn to write substantive comments.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:01:04 AM EST
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Re: Yeah Yeah Yeah (none / 0)


If Blue Neponset asks me to leave, then I suppose I have no choice.

Who the hell do you think you are?

Unbelievable


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:01:49 PM EST
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Re: Yeah Yeah Yeah (none / 0)

You are the one who called me master.  I responded in kind.  

If you don't like being treated like a troll then don't act like one.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:12:46 PM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 3)

As I think Jerome made clear, there will be a housecleaning. Of the more abusive Obama supporters.

All Democratic candidates get bashed here. They get bashed when they move to far to the right or when they are strategically stupid. If you are looking for a blog where you can constructively cheer-lead for Obama go to http://my.barackobama.com. If you want to threaten and bash people go to http://dailykos.com. If you want to debate and discuss campaigns, the progressive movement, and political power stay here.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:08 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 3)

"then MyDD should have a house cleaning"

Oh a purge you mean. Clinton supporters will be hauled of to the Lubianka for "re-education" sessions. Really you people are totally juvenile and if the Clinton supporters fail to rally around Obama it will be because of tripe like this.  


by ottovbvs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:26:48 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

A bit over-dramatic, aren't we?


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:34:08 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

Don't be so dramatic, pal.

The vast majority of Clinton supporters will get behind Obama's campaign because it is the right thing to do.  Anyone who swears off Obama because of what an anonymous commenter on a blog says is a fucking moron.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:17 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

So much for the value of loyal opposition or the thought that maybe, just maybe the Clinton side of the party has something to contribute that doesn't come from the mouth of Barack the Great.
As for me -- you all can just entertain yourselves in your own self-congratulatory playpen. We'll be around as the ship gets consumed in flames.

Bye Bye


by pan230oh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:24:42 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (none / 0)

Pan230oh,

It is important to carry the torch of reason, even in the face of the fog that clouds many minds.  But if you are burnt out, don't forget to take a quick breath of fresh outdoor air.

Liame.


by Liame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:47 AM EST
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Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 2)

AGAIN, no one is saying Obama must be free from criticism.

I could (and undoubtedly will) start several diaries about campaign missteps or adjustments I think he needs to make in the general.

However, people who post repeatedly to slam him, mock him in their signatures, and slam his supporters shouldn't be tolerated.

And those people are NOT hard to identify.


by Reeves on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:30:08 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

Now that the primary is behind us, MyDD can be a source(once again)for the progress of Candidates in different States, from those involved in a specific campaign. Issues and information that fly below the radar...

Things like 3 troops killed and other news concerning our Iraq Occupation.
http://icasualties.org/oif/

I have every confidence that the spectrum of diaries will widen...It may take a week or so before the flood of Clinton v. Obama stuff dies down.

Enjoy your Day..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-UlTE_m Hs


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:35:25 AM EST

Re: A Few Things MyDD Must Do (2.00 / 1)

I avoided this diary because I knew it was going to shit disurb even though I am sure you have the best of intentions.

I have no problem with anyone pointing out when Obama has a position that needs some discussion, dissection and even critism.  No candidate has 100 percent of the platform I wish I could see or 100 percent of positions I support.

That said, there is a huge difference between the aforementioned constructive critism/disagreement and posters who run around yapping about M. Obama tapes, fingergate, likening Obama to an abusive husband and his candidacy to some third world dictators.  Those are all over the top and frankly, trollish.  If one took Obamas name out and replaced it with Clinton's name I am sure that you can see how unacceptable they are (and those diaries are equally unnacceptable and have no place on this site).


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM EST

Re: My Direct Dictatorship? Any Takers? (2.00 / 2)

They have to make it very clear to the Clinton supporters here that this as of today is a OBAMA supporting blog. 100%. The front page needs a post that makes it very very clear that any refusal to support Obama or any trashing of Obama will be not tolerated at all now that his the official nominee.Jerome has to make it very clear he is 100% behind Obama."--Cheebs.

Demands & Preconditions, Bush Redux  Anyone? This diary is exhibit A as to why there is unease with Obama. Too many of his supporters display an instinctive tendency towards suppression and  censorship that is profoundly anti-democratic. If this diarist gets to indulge his latent inner fascism and power play fantasies MyDD will soon become My Direct Dictatorship. However the demands are so irrational one can only assume this is, well,  snark.


by superetendar on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:02:25 AM EST

If MyDD wants to be true to its mission (2.00 / 1)

 it will have to enforce the rules at some point.


by xdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:02:29 AM EST

I'm setting a deadline. (2.00 / 1)

I want to see some bans today.  It's gone on long enough.  We have several clear Republican operatives posing here and posting diaries--not disgruntled Clinton supporters who still hope for a miracle for Senator Clinton, but straight-up Roveboys.

Continued non-enforcement of the site's own rules is not acceptable.  MyDD needs to be part of the solution, and this is where it starts.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:16:35 AM EST
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Start by banning Republicans. (2.00 / 1)

mikey2008 and architek, for example, who can't charitably be considered on our side by anyone reasonable.

Yet Jerome ignores them.  How long does that continue?  Is this really a site for Democrats?  It's hard to tell today.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:14:17 AM EST

why not wait a few days (2.00 / 1)

for HRC's endorsement. If her "supporters" refuse to follow her lead and continue to trash the nominee, that's the point at which I think the MyDD controllers should take action.


by al1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:45:37 AM EST

Re: why not wait a few days (none / 0)

That is the latest they can wait though.

I guess we just wait for Hillary to concede.

I think unified we can eradicate this site of trolls.

For the 50th time, it's not about being critical its about bashing.

For alot of us this election isn't about political theatre, alot of us KNOW our livelihoods and security depend on Obama winning.

John McCain has pledged to continue the policies of America's worst president in history.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:28:29 PM EST
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